@fireborn @matt Note that removing VT does not mean removing the console. It's removing the console _from the kernel_, and passing those responsibilities into userspace. The benefit is that things like session-bound Pipewire will work correctly, because your console session will be a real session, using the desktop accessibility stack

In other words: instead of having 2+ screen readers installed for different contexts, you can have 1 for the whole system. One stack = one place to focus effort

@AdrianVovk @matt oh! In this case, I can see the benefit to this. Never mind; is there a standard approach being taken to this or is it purely theoretical at this point?

@AdrianVovk @matt how would this address the case where speech-dispatcher is totally gone, because it's either crashed or hooking the wrong output?

@fireborn @AdrianVovk For Orca at least, there has been some work on replacing speech-dispatcher with a new TTS framework called Spiel (https://project-spiel.org/)

@matt @AdrianVovk I checked this out some time ago and found it less responsive overall. maybe when it's not experimental It'll be better. I should probably just switch to it on a test machine and stick with it.

@fireborn @matt @AdrianVovk aaron, have you looked into some of the Illumos distros? They tend to come with Mate as the default desktop and are for the most part free of the Linux fuckery that you've documented. not entirely, but there's not a thousand audio servers all fighting for your sound card, so we suspect it would work considerably better. we aren't exactly sure about the status of speech on the VT, but... it's at least something to consider

@freya @matt @AdrianVovk I haven't. Do you know of any that can be installed accessibly (on the hardware — I can't serial console into the machine I usually testt things on)

@fireborn @matt @AdrianVovk yes, actually. OpenIndianna, though you may need to try an older (2023) live install image as for some reason the most recent one has a non-working login? that's not an accessibility issue, that's just outright brokenness. You know what Illumos is we're assuming?

@freya @matt @AdrianVovk I do, yeah. I just can't say I've ever thought of daily driving it. One of those "What I use might be broken, but at least I can fix it when it breaks" situations. I'LL try OI when I'm back on a computer Sunday

@freya I wasn't able to get working boot on any of my machines, so sad times. I got to a console log in on the live images but not a graphical desktop.

@fireborn @matt @AdrianVovk absolutely. the advantage of only having one thing getting in your bloody way, and not updating every 9.27 milliseconds.

@freya @matt @AdrianVovk hm. I don't see anything in the OI hcl about NVME drives. I guess I'll find out.

@fireborn @matt @AdrianVovk it definitely supports it, Illumos Gate has supported NVMe drives for ages. Tribblix we know for a fucking fact supports them, as does OmniOS

@fireborn @matt @AdrianVovk one of these days when we have some downtime, we're gonna hook up a monitor and a keyboard and some audio to our Sun Blade 150 SPARC workstation and enable gnome2 and see whether Solaris 10 (from 2005) on ahrdware from 2002 is more consistently accessible than modern Linux. How much you wanna bet that it will be