@darkling @mjg59 Read the article. Their "unreasonable" perspective isn't unreasonable in the sense that it tries to enforce that everything is free or push a maximalist freedom argument.

It's "unreasonable" because, in practice, it actually advocates for *removing* freedoms from users by removing their ability to update (and possibly even find ways to free) their firmware, instead promoting the existence of non-free firmware that's just invisible.

It's just a completely backwards position that advocates for misleading users into believing their systems are "more free" while actually causing damage without increasing freedom in any measurable way. Freedom PR, basically. The FSF has completely lost it with RYF.

@marcan @darkling @mjg59 FSF's approach is the worst of both worlds. It genuinely baffles me that they keep doing it. Do they have *any* argument for carrying on with it other than the "ROM is hardware" BS?
It's not even like the practical consequences of this classification are unproven. Lots, if not most of hardware I've seen that proudly boasts RYF take inane steps to pretend firmware doesn't exist, in ways that don't limit their capacity for harm whatsoever...

@developing_agent @asu @marcan @darkling the EC firmware that exists in flash and can be upgraded? Huh.

@mjg59 @asu @marcan @darkling The EC specifically is something I pulled out of thin air, but yeah, it's not ROM. I'm not sure anyone of authority has ever addressed it directly.